Sander Schulhoff

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947 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Jun 2025 last heard Jun 2025

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We got a ton of hate.

Yeah, I guess it was probably this way around.

But anyways.

I I ended up being right.

Uh and a couple months uh later, one of the researchers who was involved with that thread who had written one of these original analytical papers.

sent me a new paper they had written.

I was like, Hey, like

We look we we re-ran the analyses on some new data sets uh and

You're right.

Like there's no uh effect, uh no predictable effect of these roles.

Uh and so my thinking on this is that at some point.

With the GPT three early chat GPT models.

It might have been true that giving these roles provides a performance boost on accuracy-based tasks, but right now it doesn't help at all.

But

Giving a role really helps for expressive tasks, uh, writing tasks, uh, summarizing tasks.

And so with those things where it's more about you know style, uh, that's a great, great place to use roles.

But my perspective is that roles do not help with any accuracy-based tasks whatsoever.

expressive task.

So it's expressive, but I feel like

It's expressive, but I feel

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