Sara Imari Walker

Right.

So like if you value plants more than animals and you want you want to eat plants, then you're valuing, you know, like you're making value statements.

But like, you know, plants are, you know, like they're still alive when you eat them.

There's all kinds of very complicated information processing going on in plants.

Yeah.

I love this stuff about digital bioacoustics and decoding languages of animals.

Yeah, it's an amazing field.

I think it's going to take a while before we really realize the potential of it, but it's super exciting what people are trying to do.

Yeah, because you can't remember everything.

You forget things, so you have more information.

It's hard.

It's really hard.

There was a whole generation that had a lot of wild things with dolphins.

But, yeah, I think I think there's a lot of progress in animal communication.

And but I think we're very far from understanding.

whether animals are communicating at all like us and in what way.

Well, it's like your point about anthropocentrizing.

Like we just, you know, like we have our bubble.

We think about the world this way and like the human way is the only way and the right way.

And we put our notions of intelligence on other species.