Sara Imari Walker

We understand that there's some property called mass that's much more abstract and applies to everything.

I think life's kind of the same.

It emerges in chemistry, but there are some informational properties, these things about how life generates complex structures and how it does that so uniquely.

Um, that is universal physics that happens to emerge in chemistry.

So chemistry has to go out.

Um, it's not just a chemical phenomena.

And I think you need to recognize that if you're going to talk about like technology and artificial intelligence and like, are they alive or not?

Because they're very different than, you know, like what's happening inside a cell.

Yes.

Maybe.

Open a debate.

Yes.

I like that way of thinking about it.

Yeah.

Oh.

Yeah, I like that a lot, actually.

I don't disagree with that.

We are.

So the way that I think about it is to think about life, not in terms of individuals, but lineages.

So, you know, there's a lineage of how information has been structuring the material world.