Sara Imari Walker

What we talk about in assembly theory in terms of all of the configurations of objects created on our planet over four billion years.

And that's a process of that's continuous with objects making other objects.

And there's no reason that that should stop with biological forms of life.

And it just moves into technology.

So I like this idea that or the reproductive organs, though, because I always think about like societies and like global integrated systems as being living things.

And we're just like component parts of them.

Yeah.

And I think it's really important for us to recognize that.

Actually, it's interesting that you use cars as your analogy because Carl Sagan actually had like the same analogy.

He would have liked that a lot.

You know, thinking about aliens coming to life would have thought cars are the dominant life form.

But which I think is a great, great.

Right.

Because, like, yeah, exactly like you're describing, it looks like the lifeblood of our planet.

And I always think about cities at night is kind of, you know, the key signature of life on this planet.

If you look at it remotely.

Sure.

You can see, you know, all this structure on the planet.

Right.

It is hard for us because we're so, you know, like so much wanting to think about ourselves as individuals and like the apex of all of the evolutionary processes not to think about ourselves as part of systems that are much larger than us.