Sara Imari Walker

And I think it's critically important that we kind of change our reference frame on that because we're also seeing right now with like.

Social networks and the influence of like having all these societal level dialogues like brought to every individual and like like we don't know how to process that information.

Yes.

But we are part of these collective systems that are much larger than us and they are constructing a lot of the world around us without individuals having, you know, as much agency in that process as we think we do.

Yet that process is also what gives us our agency.

So it's kind of paradoxical.

I think we'll be around for a while.

Yeah, but I have a pathology that I'm like really optimistic as a person.

So I have a hard time.

I think because I think being overly optimistic can leave blind spots.

But part of the reason that I imbue so much optimism in my work is like I think we need more optimistic narratives about the future because so many people are really bleak.

Yes.

I think us being terrified of them is like an immune response.

So usually I'm not afraid of the things that people are really scared of and talking about because it means society is dealing with it.

Which I know maybe that's just sort of a scapegoat.

I don't have to worry about those things because someone else is.

But I think actually there's something rather deep there that like the things that we're trying to work through at this moment in history are being worked through.

Everyone's trying to make money and get power.

And I think once you realize that, it's a lot easier to see motives.

I'm slumming it.