Sara Imari Walker

And then but the creationists don't either.

And they don't want it either.

So it's like you're in this weird space and they're dueling with each other because they think they have totally different ideas.

explanations for things.

So but yeah, I have been told that that field is particularly protective of its ideas because it's had to battle with intelligent design for so many decades and really stand its ground.

And original life is like a really separate community from biology writ large.

I mean, I was even told early in my career that

when I was a postdoc by a very prominent biologist that I shouldn't work on origins of life.

I want to understand what life is.

I should just pick a standard biology problem.

And I thought to myself, like, the one problem you want to pick is the one everyone can't answer because that's where you have the most progress.

Yeah.

So it's just very funny to me that it's often it's swept under the rug as solved or too hard to solve both simultaneously at the same time.

Yeah.

I mean, we don't have an idea what an alien is, right?

I mean, just that should slap you in the face.

The multitude of ways we talk about alien, we don't know what we mean when we say that.

No, these are things that happen over centuries.

No, I totally agree with this.

I actually make similar arguments in my book about rockets as a good example of this, right?