Sarah B. Rogers

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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg · Under Secretary of State Sarah B. Rogers on dismantling the "Censorship Industrial Complex" · 22 Jan 2026 podcast

And this whole fact pattern where these American NGOs were working with the American government to send kind of forceful, they allege not technically coercive emails to Twitter and Meta, that was an attempt by these activists to replicate sort of the EU DSA in a way that would kind of dodge the American First Amendment.

So the EU DSA requires that member states designate NGOs as so-called trusted flaggers, meaning

This organization, its job is to sit on Twitter, look for offending tweets that might be hateful or whatever, and report them to Twitter.

And they get a privileged reporting channel and the company is required to give those reports first tranche priority.

If you look at what was happening under Biden, it was a very similar system.

These government agencies would arrange first tranche priority for these reports.

And some of what was put into those channels, the reports were technically made by NGOs.

You also had, you know, the upside, one of the small upsides of COVID, if you care about government transparency, is everyone is holding their meetings on video.

And so you have these videos of these Zoom meetings with government operatives saying, you know, we couldn't do this under the First Amendment, but fortunately this NGO on this call with us is going to do it instead.

So there's been one successful surprise

court case in U.S.

history on viewpoint-based debanking, and that was my case, which we won.

And that was called NRA versus Vulo.

And the way we got that into court was you had the New York financial regulator, per the pleadings, literally reaching out to financial institutions saying, you know, it would really be better for your enterprise risk management framework if you didn't do business with any pro-gun companies.

Yeah, so you have all these professionals, and you guys have been in finance, and you know this.

These bureaucracies hired within financial institutions to ensure compliance with all these regulations.

And so they have these elaborate risk management protocols.

And this gets a bit into the weeds, but there's this thing in finance called reputational risk.

And that's supposed to be the reputation of a bank for safety, solvency, and soundness.

You don't want to run on the bank.

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