Sarah B. Rogers

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526 appearances 2 recordings 2 series first heard Jan 2026 last heard 22 Jan

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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg · Under Secretary of State Sarah B. Rogers on dismantling the "Censorship Industrial Complex" · 22 Jan 2026 podcast

Right.

I think this is a really interesting question, and it's our privilege to be at this new technological frontier where these new questions arise.

I'm glad you mentioned cartoonists.

So after Charlie Kirk was murdered, and I knew him, I represented him on some First Amendment issues in the United States.

I saw Americans walking around in an old T-shirt from 10 years ago.

And that T-shirt said, Just Sweet Charlie.

Because that was a T-shirt we bought when free speech in France was under threat.

And French people stood up for it.

The Charlie Hebdo cartoonists were bombed.

They were murdered for saying things that offended religious zealots.

And I think it's a different kind of religious zealotry to not want to allow any dissent online.

And thinking back on that episode and how European consensus on free speech might have shifted since then is really sobering.

But I think America, we take pride in being the kind of civilization where Charlie Kirk and Charlie Hebdo can both speak

I think making fun of public officials, pointing out when the emperor has no clothes is one of the most essential things you can do in a democracy.

If you believe in self-governance, you have to believe in that.

And what's interesting about a deepfake is that the point of parody is that you can tell that it's parody.

But if you're depicting a public official falsely in a way that people can't tell as a satirical or non-authentic depiction, then the parody tension really isn't there.

And what I would say, though, is whenever we reach a new technological frontier, there is a temptation to just enact a flurry of new regulations.

And if we look back over history at other frontiers that have caused similar instability, like

The invention of the printing press, people thought that was the end of the world.

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