Sarah Edmondson

Like, I don't know.

I did tell, I did tell Michael cause I'd been on, on his podcast too.

And so I, Oh, you had been.

Yeah.

Like a lot, like when I first came out and I, I told him that I thought I did like for the, for his podcast, I think he did what he, like, he's not a cult specialist.

Like he's right.

Like that's, that was his, he was in his lane and it was, it was, it was, it was totally fine.

Um,

Had I been there, I would have been like when she he says, like, what were some of the red flags?

She missed an opportunity.

Like there were so many red flags that she experienced, you know, like that would be something to share.

I mean, I think the podcast has that.

Even though it was hard for me to listen and for you and many others to listen to, I think it has value in showing kind of like how these things happen and what her journey was and how she went from A to Z. But yeah, in terms of like her culpability and her awareness level and all that stuff, like...

Time shall tell.

I wish I could, I wish I could speak more freely.

So have you listened to Nancy Salzman on Kate Casey?

Wait, tell me.

Casey does an episode with Nancy.

Oh, yes.

Okay.