Sarah Edmondson

Right.

They don't see what's bad about it.

So the bad thing is always some kind of bait and switch.

You think you're doing personal development, which is what I was doing for a long time.

But then when you're fully committed, you'll become a spiritual wife for the leader in Albany.

That's really what the long game is.

That's actually the end game.

Right.

The end game.

But for a lot of people, that wasn't the end game.

They were just taking...

trainings all around north america and for them they weren't in a sex cult right they were in a personal development program to this day they're like oh like i don't want to be associated with that thing because they just took trainings and we're fine so for for many people the end game is just to have recruits that are bringing in money so a lot of people are involved in things on the periphery and they think it's fine and i'm going to say something controversial because i know a lot of people in la do transcendental meditation for example and they have a mantra

And, or like you said, they do the forum and they take trainings.

You're probably fine.

But in the inner circle of these organizations, those are legit cults, in my opinion.

So.

Yeah.

if you're gonna if you're gonna meditate and have a mantra there's nothing there's that's not a problem it's when you like go to the training session center and you become a teacher and you start dedicating your time and volunteering because you're doing something for service and next thing you know like you're cutting off your family because they don't really get it and then you're um asked to like you know move and be more like so cults work in very specific ways they they draw you in with something good they have to dangle a hook something of value then they

isolate you from the rest of the world.

And then they create a dependency.