Sarah Gonzalez

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Thank you to Eliza Ronald-Tannen for some great reporting at Bloomberg on the tariff rebate trading.

And to Martha Gimbel at the Yale Budget Lab.

I'm Mary Childs.

I'm Sarah Gonzalez.

The idea started out, I have a four-year-old and a one-year-old, but when I had my first baby, I remember she would just be like laying on my chest or in my arms or on my lap.

And, you know, I used to buy like really kind of crappy fast fashion clothes.

Like I just like grew up shopping at like the $5 store, which I loved.

And I remember being like, oh, I really want to buy anything.

at least like good t-shirts so that her little face and her little mouth that she sleeps on me is like on something that I can feel good about her like laying on.

So then I set out for like a year and a half to try to find a t-shirt that I could feel good about.

A t-shirt that looks good, that feels good, that is good for the environment.

And then ideally the last layer was like

Good labor practices.

We're an economics podcast and we're like fun and narrative.

I mean, it's so hard to be a good shopper, you know, and then you have like children and they grow out of things and so you have to buy them more things.

I'm like a bad consumer.

Like, where should I buy this T-shirt that I can feel good about?