Sarah Kanowski

We don't watch war movies.

We don't read war books.

The medals come out every Anzac Day for an hour and then they get put away in the tin.

They're curious about it.

They're five and eight and they're boys and they have this spirit about them.

If they choose to join the military one day, it won't be because of the way we've raised them, I don't think.

It'll be hard for Caitlin to accept if they join the military, but she would let them do it.

I sometimes think if they say to me as a 17-year-old, I want to join up, Dad, the way that I answer that question is if I could go back in time and see Aaron at the airport as a 17-year-old, what would I tell him?

And what I would say to him is I'm not going to tell you anything.

You've got to live it all yourself.

Thank you for having me.

Will Oxley first sailed across an ocean at just 15.

Will was at boarding school in Melbourne when his dad rang, needing his help to bring a boat from the North Pacific to Papua New Guinea.

Father and son crewed the boat alone and Will remembers keeping a bucket near him on night watch to regularly pour cold water over his head to keep awake.

Will had been sailing on dinghies since he was a kid, but on that voyage across the Pacific with his dad, he got fascinated by ocean navigation.

So Will began to learn the ancient art of celestial navigation using a sextant and the stars.

He's now raced around the world five times, including the 10 months he spent racing backwards, sailing against the wind.

Will was navigator on the Ichiban boat when it won the Sydney to Hobart in 2017 and again in 2019.

He also took part in the disastrous 1998 Sydney to Hobart race, when a wild storm led to the death of six sailors and the sinking of five yachts.

Will spent part of that race in an upside-down yacht in the middle of Bass Strait.