Sarah Kopp

Oh, yeah.

Because he had gone back to study law and, yeah, and I was obviously, I'd started uni after school.

So I think that was just the story we used to tell people.

Well, I remember the first time that someone really directly told me something was off, and it was when my son, who was my second brother,

born.

He would have been about three months old and I was in a car accident with him and I ended up going to see a psychologist for a period of time because I was really struggling to get in the car.

And it was probably within the first or second session of her just asking me a bunch of questions of my life, as they do, they get to know you.

And I did wonder, I was like, why is she focusing so much?

Like, I'm here to talk about my car accident.

I want, you know, like, that's what I'm here for.

And she just kept asking me and, you know, about things at home and everything.

I was just like, why are you, you know, but then I think it was after the second session, she just slid me a piece of paper across and it was, um, the domestic violence, the wheel of violence thing that sort of breaks down all the different components of DV.

And she said to me, she was like, you know, I think you might be having some issues with this and I think you need to have a look at it.

And she was kind of explaining to me that, you know, DV is not just physical.

It's not always about getting punched in the face.

Well, that's right.

You know, like, especially back then, I mean, these days, at least, you know, I think it's being spoken about a lot more in terms of all the different types of family violence.

But yeah, back then...

I don't remember ever hearing, I mean, I was very young as well, but I don't remember ever hearing about that kind of stuff.

No, no.