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Sarah Longwell

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The Bulwark Podcast
Sarah Longwell and Jonathan V. Last: We Are Sticking With the Mission

Yeah, so I want to defend JBL actually on this, and I'll tell you why. So I am part of a lot of like democracy groups, and there are many scenario planning exercises that people do in these spaces to sort of figure out like, okay, well, what is Trump going to try to do? How's he going to behave? And I had the displeasure of playing Trump in some of these scenarios. And here's what my team did.

The Bulwark Podcast
Sarah Longwell and Jonathan V. Last: We Are Sticking With the Mission

Yeah, so I want to defend JBL actually on this, and I'll tell you why. So I am part of a lot of like democracy groups, and there are many scenario planning exercises that people do in these spaces to sort of figure out like, okay, well, what is Trump going to try to do? How's he going to behave? And I had the displeasure of playing Trump in some of these scenarios. And here's what my team did.

The Bulwark Podcast
Sarah Longwell and Jonathan V. Last: We Are Sticking With the Mission

Yeah, so I want to defend JBL actually on this, and I'll tell you why. So I am part of a lot of like democracy groups, and there are many scenario planning exercises that people do in these spaces to sort of figure out like, okay, well, what is Trump going to try to do? How's he going to behave? And I had the displeasure of playing Trump in some of these scenarios. And here's what my team did.

The Bulwark Podcast
Sarah Longwell and Jonathan V. Last: We Are Sticking With the Mission

I'll just tell you how we approached it. We wrote 100 tweets. And they were everything from, let's invade Canada, to Kid Rock is a great American, and everybody should celebrate him. You know, just a bunch of insane stuff. And then over here, we had a plan for how to actually dismantle the government, which is actually sort of what I was going to say first is...

The Bulwark Podcast
Sarah Longwell and Jonathan V. Last: We Are Sticking With the Mission

I'll just tell you how we approached it. We wrote 100 tweets. And they were everything from, let's invade Canada, to Kid Rock is a great American, and everybody should celebrate him. You know, just a bunch of insane stuff. And then over here, we had a plan for how to actually dismantle the government, which is actually sort of what I was going to say first is...

The Bulwark Podcast
Sarah Longwell and Jonathan V. Last: We Are Sticking With the Mission

I'll just tell you how we approached it. We wrote 100 tweets. And they were everything from, let's invade Canada, to Kid Rock is a great American, and everybody should celebrate him. You know, just a bunch of insane stuff. And then over here, we had a plan for how to actually dismantle the government, which is actually sort of what I was going to say first is...

The Bulwark Podcast
Sarah Longwell and Jonathan V. Last: We Are Sticking With the Mission

tearing things down is a million times easier than building anything, right? And so when you play these scenario, when you do these scenario things, you are already at a massive advantage when your role is to burn stuff down. Because people trying to react then, because what Trump is trying to do, and the reason I... The reason we had a pretty...

The Bulwark Podcast
Sarah Longwell and Jonathan V. Last: We Are Sticking With the Mission

tearing things down is a million times easier than building anything, right? And so when you play these scenario, when you do these scenario things, you are already at a massive advantage when your role is to burn stuff down. Because people trying to react then, because what Trump is trying to do, and the reason I... The reason we had a pretty...

The Bulwark Podcast
Sarah Longwell and Jonathan V. Last: We Are Sticking With the Mission

tearing things down is a million times easier than building anything, right? And so when you play these scenario, when you do these scenario things, you are already at a massive advantage when your role is to burn stuff down. Because people trying to react then, because what Trump is trying to do, and the reason I... The reason we had a pretty...

The Bulwark Podcast
Sarah Longwell and Jonathan V. Last: We Are Sticking With the Mission

clear strategy about how to approach it is dismantle the administrative state over here, what they would call the administrative state, shut down the Department of Education, do real things over here, and over here tweet. Because no matter how long Trump is in our public consciousness, nobody has seemed to learn that he is like a guy with a laser pointer, and we are all cats. Right.

The Bulwark Podcast
Sarah Longwell and Jonathan V. Last: We Are Sticking With the Mission

clear strategy about how to approach it is dismantle the administrative state over here, what they would call the administrative state, shut down the Department of Education, do real things over here, and over here tweet. Because no matter how long Trump is in our public consciousness, nobody has seemed to learn that he is like a guy with a laser pointer, and we are all cats. Right.

The Bulwark Podcast
Sarah Longwell and Jonathan V. Last: We Are Sticking With the Mission

clear strategy about how to approach it is dismantle the administrative state over here, what they would call the administrative state, shut down the Department of Education, do real things over here, and over here tweet. Because no matter how long Trump is in our public consciousness, nobody has seemed to learn that he is like a guy with a laser pointer, and we are all cats. Right.

The Bulwark Podcast
Sarah Longwell and Jonathan V. Last: We Are Sticking With the Mission

That chase it. And so I think to JBL's point, so much of this second term should at least be among the journalism or pundit class should be able to disaggregate the real from the trolling. Now, to Tim's point, though, I think the idea that the trolling doesn't have real consequences is.

The Bulwark Podcast
Sarah Longwell and Jonathan V. Last: We Are Sticking With the Mission

That chase it. And so I think to JBL's point, so much of this second term should at least be among the journalism or pundit class should be able to disaggregate the real from the trolling. Now, to Tim's point, though, I think the idea that the trolling doesn't have real consequences is.

The Bulwark Podcast
Sarah Longwell and Jonathan V. Last: We Are Sticking With the Mission

That chase it. And so I think to JBL's point, so much of this second term should at least be among the journalism or pundit class should be able to disaggregate the real from the trolling. Now, to Tim's point, though, I think the idea that the trolling doesn't have real consequences is.

The Bulwark Podcast
Sarah Longwell and Jonathan V. Last: We Are Sticking With the Mission

because not everybody's able to disaggregate these things, or because sometimes things that read as funny, like, saying we're going to take over Canada is kind of funny to Americans because of, and maybe even to some Canadians, just because of the unique relationship, the closeness, the cultural closeness, but also, like, no one really thinks this is going to happen, but does that change society?

The Bulwark Podcast
Sarah Longwell and Jonathan V. Last: We Are Sticking With the Mission

because not everybody's able to disaggregate these things, or because sometimes things that read as funny, like, saying we're going to take over Canada is kind of funny to Americans because of, and maybe even to some Canadians, just because of the unique relationship, the closeness, the cultural closeness, but also, like, no one really thinks this is going to happen, but does that change society?

The Bulwark Podcast
Sarah Longwell and Jonathan V. Last: We Are Sticking With the Mission

because not everybody's able to disaggregate these things, or because sometimes things that read as funny, like, saying we're going to take over Canada is kind of funny to Americans because of, and maybe even to some Canadians, just because of the unique relationship, the closeness, the cultural closeness, but also, like, no one really thinks this is going to happen, but does that change society?

The Bulwark Podcast
Sarah Longwell and Jonathan V. Last: We Are Sticking With the Mission

Certain geopolitical calculus does it. Trump wants people to be like, he's unpredictable. He's a madman. And he wants to do it to places like Greenland and Canada, where he feels like everybody will kind of be cool about it, as opposed to Iran and Egypt and places where it can set off real potential issues. And so- Cuba, even.

The Bulwark Podcast
Sarah Longwell and Jonathan V. Last: We Are Sticking With the Mission

Certain geopolitical calculus does it. Trump wants people to be like, he's unpredictable. He's a madman. And he wants to do it to places like Greenland and Canada, where he feels like everybody will kind of be cool about it, as opposed to Iran and Egypt and places where it can set off real potential issues. And so- Cuba, even.