Sarah Longwell

Like, we're going from Minneapolis to him threatening the Fed chair, Jerome Powell.

And it's like that sustained outrage is really hard.

The thing about ICE and what is happening is, number one, I do think the—you know, I used to—I was a Republican for a long time.

I've heard that about you.

Yeah, and I was—Tim and I are sort of similar in this regard.

We've always kind of described ourselves similarly, which is like kind of Republican squishes.

But for me, a lot of my—I was, you know, came from a small town, and so I was sort of culturally conservative.

But mainly, I just really like America.

I think America is the best.

Not right now.

But generally, I've always been somebody who thinks the experiment that we are doing here is important, should be preserved, promoted, emulated, and—

Right now, like, that conservative instinct of your American birthright is you do not have to get down on your knees for tyrants.

Like, that is what we do here.

We say no to tyranny.

The whole reason we exist is that.

Like, it's in our bloodstreams.

It's in our creed.

Like, and so I feel like there is an element even of people who are like, well, ISIS is supposed to be

getting immigrants out of here, right?

They take their blood and soil nationalism very seriously.