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Sarah Paine

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine: How Imperial Japan Defeated Tsarist Russia & Qing China

And they sent fact-finding mission after fact-finding mission to Europe primarily, but also the United States.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine: How Imperial Japan Defeated Tsarist Russia & Qing China

This is just the most famous one, the Iwakura Mission, which is off to the West and the United States as well in 1871.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine: How Imperial Japan Defeated Tsarist Russia & Qing China

And they're studying not only Western military institutions, but a whole array of political, economic, legal, social, educational, the works to understand the

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine: How Imperial Japan Defeated Tsarist Russia & Qing China

the basis for Western power and the problem that is hitting them.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine: How Imperial Japan Defeated Tsarist Russia & Qing China

And they arrive in Europe at a really interesting time.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine: How Imperial Japan Defeated Tsarist Russia & Qing China

It's when Otto von Bismarck is just finishing up the third war of the unification of the Germanic states.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine: How Imperial Japan Defeated Tsarist Russia & Qing China

And the Japanese think, ooh, this might be quite a model for us.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine: How Imperial Japan Defeated Tsarist Russia & Qing China

Why?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine: How Imperial Japan Defeated Tsarist Russia & Qing China

Because Prussia transformed itself over a succession of three wars from the weakest of the five great European powers to second only to Great Britain.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine: How Imperial Japan Defeated Tsarist Russia & Qing China

And it did so in part by unifying the Germanic states into modern Germany.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine: How Imperial Japan Defeated Tsarist Russia & Qing China

And the Japanese are thinking, wow, this might be relevant to us because we're divided up into all these feudal domains that we have just tried to glue together.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine: How Imperial Japan Defeated Tsarist Russia & Qing China

And what are the lessons to be learned here?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine: How Imperial Japan Defeated Tsarist Russia & Qing China

And as they're thinking about this and watching what Bismarck is up to, they come upon the

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine: How Imperial Japan Defeated Tsarist Russia & Qing China

thinking about institutions and technology.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine: How Imperial Japan Defeated Tsarist Russia & Qing China

And modernization, I'm going to use the words in the following sense.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine: How Imperial Japan Defeated Tsarist Russia & Qing China

Modernization means adopting the most state-of-the-art technology, whatever it is, not just military technology, but all manner of technology.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine: How Imperial Japan Defeated Tsarist Russia & Qing China

And westernization, the way I'm going to use it, means adopting westernized institutions.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine: How Imperial Japan Defeated Tsarist Russia & Qing China

And I don't mean just military institutions, I mean everything, from whether you westernize your educational institutions or political, whatever it is.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine: How Imperial Japan Defeated Tsarist Russia & Qing China

And the question is, can you have one without the other?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine: How Imperial Japan Defeated Tsarist Russia & Qing China

Can you modernize and have all the fancy gadgets and things without having the westernized institutions that the societies that created these things had?