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Sarah Paine

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

China and Russia actually discovered each other late in their histories.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

It was the early part of their last dynasties when the Russians were after fur.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

very lucrative in those days, and that brings them out to the Pacific.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

But their relations were only episodic until we get to the mid-19th century, which is where my story is going to begin.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

So in the 18th century, China was strong, Russia was weak, but that one doesn't last very long.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And both empires followed the rules for continental empire.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And if you want to survive in a continental world, that's what both of them historically have been, you don't want to have two front wars because you have multiple neighbors, any one of them that can come in at any time.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And if they gang up on you, that's trouble.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

So you take on one at a time.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

Also, you don't want any great powers on the borders.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

This is the fundamental problem with their relationship.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

is because today's friend can be tomorrow's foe, and that is truly problematic.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

So what do you do to solve that problem?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

Well, you take on your neighbors sequentially, you set them up to fail, you destabilize the rising and just the failing, and you set up buffer zones in between, and you wait the opportune moment to pounce and absorb, and that is Vladimir Putin's game.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

But if you play this game, you're surrounding yourself by failing states because you're either busy destabilizing them or ingesting them.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

So the curious might ask, are Russia and China unlucky with all the very dysfunctional places that surround them, or are they complicit?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

Also, there are no enduring alliances in this world because the neighbors figure it out that the hegemonic power offers nothing but trouble in the long term.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And there's also no counsel on when to stop expanding.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

So both Russia and China are known for overextending, overdoing it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And then that may help explain some of their periodic implosions over their long and bloody histories.