Sarah Paine

I think it's 80,000 Japanese are incinerated.

Okay, let's talk about brutality.

Now, the reason why Americans did that is because they knew the alternative was sending American kids onto Japan who would die doing that.

And so the decision was it was better to kill a lot of Japanese civilians than it was to kill American soldiers.

And that's also the reason that went into the atomic bombing.

That's controversial, right?

The Americans, why did they drop atomic bombs on the Japanese?

And there was no...

disagreement about that in the united states at the time because it was a question of are you going to send american young men your age and uh millions of them would have died hitting the home islands or are you going to do the the bombing and of course the americans did the bombing so there's brutality all around in this war wars don't come up with clean hands

Well, okay, this is a whole other topic.

Win in wars.

What does win mean?

For us, it was put Japan back in its box, right?

But this is a whole problem for Japan.

What's win?

Or this country in Afghanistan, what's win?

Is it booting Osama bin Laden out of Afghanistan once that happens?

It's a day.

Is it overthrowing the Taliban at a particular period?

Or is it trying to turn the whole place into a democracy?