Sarah Paine

So people didn't realize.

But, yeah, we felt we were losing the Cold War.

In fact, at the very end of the Cold War, because I was in the Bush archives, so Gorbachev's in, and Reagan and then Bush are thinking, well, he just looks like another one of these people.

And we're not going to take the propaganda seriously.

And then they sort of go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

And then it's in 88 where Bush is going, whoa, maybe it is going to end.

And then the United States teams up with Helmut Kohl of Germany to do the fastest get the

Gorbachev is the one who wants to cooperate with the West.

One thing you should know about warfare, you think the winners win it?

No, actually, it's when the losers decide they've had enough.

That's when a war ends.

Otherwise, it doesn't end.

So the Russians got sick of it, and they quit.

Well, I don't know win-lose, but they have a very low per capita standard of living.

Do the math.

You go, yeah, they've got a big economy because they're not a third of the world's population now, but it's huge.

And divide the $1.3 billion, whatever it is, you come up with a low number for per capita.

standard of living.

And I think for human beings, that's the number that matters, right?

Of what is your family income look like?