Sarah Wilson

Yeah.

I want to get onto your incredible book, I Eat the Stars.

And I was speaking to someone earlier about how fabulous your book titles always are.

And they're just, I love, I love the title of this book.

Okay, so collapse is a word that we are hearing everywhere right now.

When you use it in your book and in your work, and it's a subject that you've been researching for many, many years, what are you actually describing here?

And that stresses parents.

Like I know with my kids, it becomes more stressful because kids are addicted to their devices.

Then that becomes stressful as a parent.

Yeah.

But what you're really talking about is a more simple life, which is like you live an incredibly minimal existence.

And it kills me that we're so tied to material possessions and, you know, conversations are

you know, dinner parties or whatever, like it's so tied to materialism and it's so boring.

It really is such a different mindset.

My boyfriend was born in Montreal but moved to France to Toulouse when he was five and he lived there until he was 18.

And everything you've just described, that is him.

Well, he gave his car to his daughter because she lives in Canberra.

So he gets bikes everywhere or he gets the train.

He's not attached to a big house, which so many people I think in Australia are.

And it's been really interesting because since I got a divorce, that's sort of like,