Sasha Barbagat

I don't think anyone listening to this would be a stranger to the idea of...

how hard we have to work in modern society just to survive just to get through day to day to pay our bills to be a functioning member of society but you don't think our brains are very well designed to live this way do you?

Yeah.

So what does that look like in practice then?

Like for the modern person going about their day and their week and their life, how are we seeing those repetitive alerts and like that constant always on energy translating to things like burnout?

Yeah, wow.

The sighing thing is fascinating.

I hadn't heard that.

And so you've labelled a lot of this phenomenon as,

under the term success tax.

Yeah, wow, what an incredible story and, you know, amazing that you were able to come out the other side of that and recognise as well and make those changes.

For some people, they don't get to make those changes before maybe it's affecting their health in such a serious way as you experienced.

What should people be doing then?

Because we can't not work.

No.

How do we make changes then in our work life without sacrificing our careers?

From a practical perspective, before we let you go, what are some of the signs of burnout tipping from feeling a little bit tired to going in a more serious direction?

And how should people respond to those signs if they notice them in themselves?

Yes.

Yeah, well, you know, recent research that I found suggested that 67% of people in the workforce had experienced some sort of burnout symptom, which is, you know, a staggering amount, but also not surprising given everything we've talked about today.