Sasha Pfeiffer
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Utah Republican Governor Spencer Cox has just published a book, but for the record, he says he is not running for president.
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His book is called Off Ramp How to Be a Peacemaker in an Age of Contempt.
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It's an extension of public comments he made after the killing of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University.
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That was exactly one year ago, and just today Cox declared september tenth Charlie Kirk Day in Utah.
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Governor Cox voted for Donald Trump in 2024, so when we talked about his book, I asked him how his plea for productive disagreement squares with his support for a president who seems to relish conflict.
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Do you think President Trump has been more helpful or hurtful in your message of trying to ratchet down the rhetoric, reduce our contempt, and try to shrink the gulf that has developed between us?
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he feels like d un unifying is not his goal, is not what he thinks would be good for the country?
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the message you're trying to send.
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Well, and again, I don't wanna belabor this, but because Trump is so central now to all the politics of our country, I understand that for you as a governor and for many other high level politicians, they have to figure out how to get along with him even if they don't agree with everything he says and does.
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But his messaging is so counterproductive to what you are preaching and what your book says that I'm wondering how you reconcile that
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In terms of your relationship with them.
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Like uh tweets that get a lot of attention that make headlines.
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As the governor of Utah, you've taken a lot of heat lately for not only supporting Trump but also supporting data centers, uh what people consider book bans, a presence of ICE detention facilities.
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I'm wondering how easy or difficult it was to take your own advice and try to take the high road when you're facing that kind of criticism.
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Governor Cox, you you promise a positive book, but most of your book until the very end is extremely dark and depressing.
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And then when I got to your suggestions for how we can all be peacemakers, they felt to me like pretty classic advice for respectful disagreement.
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I mean there was a kind of honestly a platitude quality to them.
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Do you think that they're enough given where we are as a country today?
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united on that one thing at least.
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That is Spencer Cox.
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