Saskia Vandoorne

Yes, it's sexual violence towards women.

And we saw this also with, we haven't mentioned Epstein, but in the Epstein files, we saw how they were grooming the girls by showing them porn.

This is what Jeffrey Epstein would like you to do.

This is your homework.

for this evening.

And I think that when we go back talking about regulation, yes, age verification has been introduced in some countries, and that will stop six-year-olds perhaps coming across it once when they're on the iPad.

But is it going to stop adolescents?

A lot of people aren't convinced that age verification is going to help solve the problem.

Going after these sites also, the way that they have been built, the way that they're created, is done in a way where the risk is spread.

So they've structured it deliberately to make it hard for law enforcement to go after them.

Let's use the case of Motherless.

in the Netherlands.

The parent company is going to be registered in another country.

The owner, we think, is in the US.

So you need to have an international cooperation for any kind of case to be brought against them.

And that's why it makes it so hard for any kind of charges to be brought against them in the long term.

But

I would also say, and Giselle Pellico is the first person to tell you this, that it's a question of education, that, you know, boys from a young age need to be taught what consent is and need to be taught that women, you know, need to be respected and need to be listened to.

I think it's a big issue in that there isn't enough data right now.

And anecdotally, since looking into these cases, you start seeing instances of women being drugged and raped by their husbands all over.