Saskia Vandoorne

An icon.

She's the person a lot of women look up to.

In this ecosystem, in this kind of dark brotherhood, it's Dominic Pellico who's the hero.

He's the one to be emulated and to be copied.

So it just gives you that juxtaposition and how these two worlds are vastly different and apart.

And I think that...

you know, the men, again, who were speaking to each other in these groups, they found comfort in being friends.

You know, you got a sense that they felt here that they were completely uninhibited and that they could share their deepest, darkest secrets and wouldn't be vilified for it.

Quite the opposite.

They were one of them.

And that feeling of belonging, I think, is also something today that we see in toxic masculinity, manosphere, like all of these themes, these subjects, they are intertwined.

And when we're discussing, you know, how do we tackle this problem?

I think asking men how they can better help each other is also a big part of the problem of this issue.

I think it would be physically impossible.

And no.

And on these websites, at no point did I ever see a woman being violent towards a man.

It was always the other way around.

And I think that's, again, when we talk about how can men and women help each other, because I do think...

It's important for it to not become a them versus us situation if we're trying to come to some kind of find a solution, find a way to combat these spaces and this crime.

It's also we need men who are in these, who are on these sites.