Saskia Vandoorne

So it's also a kind of brotherhood.

You know, men are going to find each other there.

They're going to befriend each other.

You can befriend another user.

And then what we discovered was that they would have links to telegram groups.

or telegram usernames.

And that's how I came across one man who said he was selling liquid sedative around the world and that for $150, he would send a bottle of liquid sedative.

It would arrive the next day with detailed instructions as to how it would affect the woman that you were drugging.

And then there was another user who had a link to a Telegram group where there were a thousand men in that group.

And that was the one that we infiltrated.

We created a male persona and began exchanging with men in that group.

And it was it was in real time.

So you had men from across the world sharing tips on how to drug and rape their partners.

Just to give you an example, Gemma, the German journalists I was speaking about earlier, they infiltrated a group with 70,000 men.

Wow.

So you get this idea that this is far more widespread and that, in fact, motherless was acting as a gateway.

So men would find themselves maybe consuming at the beginning regular porn, then because of algorithms that favor extreme content, finding themselves consuming

on this dark corner of this site, because I should mention that, yes, there are 60 to 80 million visits on this site per month, but that's not to say they're all there looking at sleep content.

A lot of these users would just be looking at regular porn.

But you can see how some would arrive on the page, start off by looking at regular porn, find themselves in this dark corner of the website looking at sleep pornography and then find the link to a telegram group and that's when they're exchanging in real time with men around the world.