Saskia Vandoorne

I think that it was more than just creating content.

It was also about camaraderie.

So this feeling that they were getting a thrill in the act itself, so by drugging and raping their partners, but also the dynamics surrounding it.

So bringing the video back to this group, who would then go on to praise the acts of the individual involved.

And it also felt like there was this kind of teacher-student dynamic with some of the relationships.

So there'd be a user who had been on...

motherless for years and who would be boasting about drugging and raping their partner for a long time and they would be sharing uh tips with the younger men who perhaps had never tried it and they're therefore normalizing the entire idea of rape and you could see that these younger guys who might never have thought about doing this began to feel like oh well

These all these guys are doing it.

They've been drugging and raping their partners for years and getting away with it.

So maybe it's not that bad.

And you also got the sense that it was just the drugs were just a facilitator, the ease with which they were able to do this to their wives, to their girlfriends.

And also the tutorials that they were sharing with one another.

How much does she weigh?

Does she have a fast metabolism?

Make sure you don't overdose.

And that might be one of the most shocking things that we discovered was the way that women were treated as guinea pigs.

And these were supposedly, in some cases, the mother of their children, women that they'd been with for 10, 15, 20 years.

And so I think what's so...

pernicious about this kind of content these kinds of groups is how the men are desensitized to it and the truth is Gemma we as the journalists who were in these groups were desensitized to it as well after a while you know oh there's another video of a woman being raped you just don't see it the same way because you're consuming vast amounts of um this extreme content I can see

And that term was used by a French MP who herself had been drugged by a senator.