Satyar Shah

Billions of dollars.

And if you look at any business worth billions of dollars, how they operate...

They don't operate like a lot of pro sports teams in the National Hockey League operate, where you have people in charge in positions that don't have the business acumen, that don't have the acumen of putting together a real corporate structure.

And as much as that's annoying, and I get people are rolling their eyes at that idea, you either embrace that and move forward and have success, or you get left behind.

Like, eras are changing.

Look at front offices in the NFL.

Look at front offices in the NBA, Major League Baseball especially.

And I know there are a lot of nerdy people involved, and I say that with quotation marks.

People kind of laugh at it and scoff at it.

But that's how it's happening.

And that's not to say you don't need to have former players or good talent evaluators.

That's still the most important part.

And I think with analytics on the hockey side of things,

I think it's gotten to the point now that we've underrated guys that have a good eye test in terms of how to evaluate players.

I think that's become underrated.

But in terms of how you run your organization, how you set culture, what's our framework you have in terms of how people work together, and also how you involve ownership.

Now, the thing about managing up is not just about, hey, convince the owner that you have the right idea.

Placating to the owner.

Yeah.

It's more about how do you create a structure that's robust, that allows that owner to also have a say, but not be the person who's overriding everybody.