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Charles Schwab Chief Fixed Income Strategist Kathy Jones Talks Treasuries and Fed Interest Rates
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Charles Schwab Chief Fixed Income Strategist Kathy Jones Talks Treasuries and Fed Interest Rates
Please welcome back Kathy Jones, Chief Fixed Income Strategist for the Schwab Center for Financial Research.
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Charles Schwab Chief Fixed Income Strategist Kathy Jones Talks Treasuries and Fed Interest Rates
Kathy, let me start with you.
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Charles Schwab Chief Fixed Income Strategist Kathy Jones Talks Treasuries and Fed Interest Rates
I want to pick up on that chart that Mike just showed us, that idea that traders have not only priced out rate cuts for the rest of this year, but they have priced in a rate hike or the odds of a rate hike this year as well.
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Charles Schwab Chief Fixed Income Strategist Kathy Jones Talks Treasuries and Fed Interest Rates
Is this dramatic repricing appropriate or is it overdone?
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Charles Schwab Chief Fixed Income Strategist Kathy Jones Talks Treasuries and Fed Interest Rates
End of the third week, I believe.
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Charles Schwab Chief Fixed Income Strategist Kathy Jones Talks Treasuries and Fed Interest Rates
George, what do you think?
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Charles Schwab Chief Fixed Income Strategist Kathy Jones Talks Treasuries and Fed Interest Rates
So one of the consensus trades before the war began was the steepening yield curve.
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Charles Schwab Chief Fixed Income Strategist Kathy Jones Talks Treasuries and Fed Interest Rates
And this week, we've seen the 2s, 10s spread narrow sharply to around 42 basis points.
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Charles Schwab Chief Fixed Income Strategist Kathy Jones Talks Treasuries and Fed Interest Rates
You would think that the inflationary impact of rising oil would lead to curve steepening.
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Charles Schwab Chief Fixed Income Strategist Kathy Jones Talks Treasuries and Fed Interest Rates
What does this rapid flattening, Kathy, tell us about what the market sees as the key risks facing the Fed?
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Charles Schwab Chief Fixed Income Strategist Kathy Jones Talks Treasuries and Fed Interest Rates
George, as we wait for the end game, what do you want to hold?
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Charles Schwab Chief Fixed Income Strategist Kathy Jones Talks Treasuries and Fed Interest Rates
Where do you want to be on the curve?
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Charles Schwab Chief Fixed Income Strategist Kathy Jones Talks Treasuries and Fed Interest Rates
When investors fret about oil and inflation, the comparison is always the 1970s.
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Charles Schwab Chief Fixed Income Strategist Kathy Jones Talks Treasuries and Fed Interest Rates
That's kind of where they go to.
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Charles Schwab Chief Fixed Income Strategist Kathy Jones Talks Treasuries and Fed Interest Rates
And when they fear credit blow-ups, the comparison is 2008, Cathy.
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Charles Schwab Chief Fixed Income Strategist Kathy Jones Talks Treasuries and Fed Interest Rates
Not everything is so extreme, though.
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Charles Schwab Chief Fixed Income Strategist Kathy Jones Talks Treasuries and Fed Interest Rates
I mean, those are pretty extreme examples.
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Charles Schwab Chief Fixed Income Strategist Kathy Jones Talks Treasuries and Fed Interest Rates
What kind of risk does that create, that tendency to go to the most extreme example?
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Charles Schwab Chief Fixed Income Strategist Kathy Jones Talks Treasuries and Fed Interest Rates
George, do you think it's appropriate to talk about stagflation late?