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Scott Alexander

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2861 total appearances

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Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Since we last spoke, prediction markets have gone to the moon, rising from millions to billions in monthly volume.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Here's a graph, polymarket and kaoshi volume monthly.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

It starts in 2020, and the line is so low that you just can't see it.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

It's down on zero.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

It starts to stir in early 2024.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

goes up a bit, comes down in early 2025, and then absolutely skyrockets, going from close to zero and then being at around $2.5 billion, then suddenly shooting up within the space of a few months to $7.5 billion and above.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Scott writes, For a few weeks in October, Polymarket founder Shane Coplin was the world's youngest self-made billionaire.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Now it's some AI people.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Kaoshi is so accurate that it's getting called a national security threat.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

The catch is, of course, that it's mostly degenerate gambling, especially sports betting.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Cauchy is 81% sports by monthly volume.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Polymarket does better, only 37%, but some of the remainder is things like this $686,000 market on how often Elon Musk will tweet this week, currently dominated by the 140-164 times category.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Ironically, this seems to be a regulatory difference.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

US regulators don't mind sports betting, but look unfavourably on potentially insensitive markets, in quotes, like bets about wars.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Polymarket has historically been offshore and so able to concentrate on geopolitics.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Cauchy has been in the US and so stuck mostly to sports.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

But Polymarket is in the process of moving onshore.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

I don't know if this will affect their ability to offer geopolitical markets.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Degenerate gambling is bad, link in post.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Insofar as prediction markets have acted as a Trojan horse to enable it, this is bad.

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