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Scott Alexander

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
2861 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

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Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

The result is they've got tons of them, for better or worse.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

you're going to see 1 in 100 upsets on tiny calci markets for as long as this regulatory equilibrium holds, even if nothing unusual is going on, simply because they're publishing hundreds, thousands, of markets per day.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

End quote.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Scott writes, There's a saying that you can't con an honest man.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

This isn't exactly true, but it's easier to con people who are playing in a what-words-will-Brian-Armstrong-say-today market than people who are trying to do something useful, and I have trouble feeling sorry for these people when Brian Armstrong says silly words.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Conditional markets.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

A modest proposal.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Conditional markets, decision markets, are the strongest case for prediction markets potentially being revolutionary.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

The idea is, you may want to base a decision, like which candidate to elect, on an outcome, like how they'll affect the economy.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

So you make two markets.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

If the Democrat gets elected, will the economy be good four years later?

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Or if the Republican gets elected, will the economy be good four years later?

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

And if one market is higher than the other, then you've successfully forced everyone to settle on a canonical probability of which candidate will be better for the economy.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

The fatal flaw is confounding by non-causal pathways.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

For example, betters might reason, suppose for some extrinsic reason, let's say someone struck oil, the economy is very good from 2026 to 2028.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Then in 2028, people will feel better about Trump and are more likely to elect Vance.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

And if the economy is very good from 2026 to 2028, then it's more likely to be very good from 2028 to 2032.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

The oil is still there.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Therefore, we should bet up the Republicans to good market and bet down the Democrats to good market before we even think about whether Republicans or Democrats will do a better job with the economy.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Therefore, this can't be a good way to determine whether Republicans or Democrats will do a better job with the economy.