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Scott Alexander

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Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Crime As Proxy For Disorder

in Los Angeles, and has, quote, gotten worse in San Francisco.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Crime As Proxy For Disorder

Plausibly, this is the same pattern as crime, which was declining for decades until COVID and the Black Lives Matter protests caused it to rebound in 2020.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Crime As Proxy For Disorder

A contrary data point is Britain, where graffiti reports almost doubled between 2013 to 2017.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Crime As Proxy For Disorder

I don't know enough about the British context to have an opinion.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Crime As Proxy For Disorder

According to FBI crime statistics, shoplifting remains well below historic highs, although still somewhat higher than the local minimum in 2005.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Crime As Proxy For Disorder

Here's a graph shoplifting in the United States from 1960 to 2020.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Crime As Proxy For Disorder

It shows a peak around 1990.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Crime As Proxy For Disorder

It had been climbing steadily since 1960, then it decreased and reached its local minimum in the early 2000s, and it's climbed slightly since.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Crime As Proxy For Disorder

Scott writes, even if we worry about the increase over the 2005 low, it seems to be only about 33% over 15 years, which should be hard to notice.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Crime As Proxy For Disorder

The FBI runs a different shoplifting reporting program, NIBRS.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Crime As Proxy For Disorder

This does show a large increase since 2018, but is considered less reliable because new cities keep joining and so year-to-year reports aren't comparable.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Crime As Proxy For Disorder

Maybe the problem is limited to a few big cities.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Crime As Proxy For Disorder

What about San Francisco in particular?

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Crime As Proxy For Disorder

Here's a graph, shoplifting in San Francisco versus national average, from 1960 to 2023.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Crime As Proxy For Disorder

It shows a peak around 1990 and a steady decrease since.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Crime As Proxy For Disorder

Scott writes, "...at least in these data, it's, if anything, less."

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Crime As Proxy For Disorder

Okay, so could stores be failing to report to police?

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Crime As Proxy For Disorder

Some stores say they're doing this, and there was an embarrassing incident, it might be the 2021 spike on the graph above, where two stores briefly changed their reporting policy and nearly doubled the total report number.