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Scott Alexander

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Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Here's a potential workaround I've never seen before.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Suppose you create a set of conditional prediction markets as above.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Then you create a set of secondary markets, asking bettors to predict the price of the first set of markets on the day before election day.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

On the day before election day, either they'll have struck oil or they won't have.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

So regardless of the oil situation, people will be factoring in only the true effect of the party's policies.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

If you ask people today to predict those markets, they'll be predicting the true effect of the policies.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Giving an example with numbers on everything.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Thanks to AI for gaming this out with me.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

25% chance of striking oil.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

No oil world, 75% chance.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

D increases GDP 5%, R increases GDP 2%.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

D wins 50%, R wins 50%.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Yes oil world, 25% chance.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

D increases GDP 10%, R increases GDP 7%.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Audio note, this continues for a long time with lots of calculations and percentages.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Scott writes, "...this doesn't completely solve the conditional problem.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

There could be residual correlations based on hidden variables that affect the outcome of interest, in this case the election, without being known to betters even on election day eve.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

A trivial example is some extraordinary event which happens at 12.01am on election day.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

A more subtle example goes something like, suppose the economy is subtly good.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
Mantic Monday: The Monkey's Paw Curls

Nobody has managed to aggregate the statistics and figure this out in a legible way yet, and each individual person still only has private knowledge that the economy is good for him or herself."