Scott Carney

during surgery.

So you'd go in with like an appendectomy, you need your appendix, and they'd go in and they'd also take your kidney.

That was a real series of crimes that occurred.

And estrogens are about a thousand kidneys were stolen in that way.

So sometimes you get some bizarre outcomes.

But in general, it's very rare to have a violent crime turn into organ trafficking.

And I know that I'll probably find examples where

has happened but those would be the exception not the rule especially when you're trying to build an industry around it like if you want to do one kidney by kidnapping sure there's no reason why that couldn't work in a one-off case but if you want to do 4 000 of these operations over the course of a few years you have to have a very different system in place for that and that system does exist uh it just operates differently did you ever see the movie repo man

Oh, yeah, right, right.

No, I mean, it's been a long time since I've seen the film, but yeah.

Yeah, there's lots of – I mean it makes great fiction fodder for sure.

You can do a lot of stuff with the stories around it.

As an investigative journalist who wants to hang out with facts, I do find that –

by pushing those stories and pretending they're real, and a lot of people do believe those stories are real in some way, you're actually hiding the actual crimes that are going on because we actually do have, you know, China was doing, executing prisoners for organs, right?

There was testimony in front of Congress

from a chinese surgeon who actually i guess would you say defected or immigrated to the united states who said he was on the line of people who were having you know a line of doctors and they would do uh execution by organ donation and he described people i mean he described it even without anesthesia which i find sort of crazy that they would do that but um

You know, you would, you would start with the kidneys and then you'd take other things, other things until you finally take the thing that kills them.

Uh, and, and he said he performed multiple of those, uh, of those operations.

Hmm.

And that's horrible, right?