Scott Detrow

Many expect he will run for president himself in two years.

So how is he approaching the Trump administration and the current political moment?

From NPR, I'm Scott Detrow.

It's Consider This from NPR.

As the Trump administration applies the forces of the federal government in ways that have never been tried before, it is often state governors, specifically Democratic governors, trying to push back.

Pennsylvania's Governor Josh Shapiro has spent a lot of time thinking about how to respond to ICE deployments.

and demands for voter registration information, among other things.

We talked about it when we sat down together in his hometown of Abington, Pennsylvania last week.

And a note, we talked before Alex Preddy was shot and killed in the street when one or more federal agents opened fire.

Let's talk about ICE and what's happening in Minnesota right now.

Minnesota is the latest example of a series of different locations over the last year or so.

How do you think about that line, is this legal versus do I like this or not like this, when it comes to what we're seeing play out with ICE and with other federal agents in Minneapolis?

Shapiro is also thinking about another potential looming confrontation between the Trump administration and state governments.

This fall's election.

You mentioned having those kind of tabletop conversations.

That reminds me of something that one of your peers, Governor Gretchen Whitmer, told one of my colleagues, Steve Inskeep, in a recent interview.

She said that democratic officials are having conversations about this year's midterm elections and that there's real concern based on what we've seen in the past, what sort of statements we've seen from

the Department of Homeland Security from the president and others, there's real concerns about election integrity and election interference and intimidation.

You're running for governor right now.

You're running for reelection.