Scott Macpherson

People will have different views on that.

I wonder if something's been lost.

I think Peter probably wondered if something had been lost as well.

I don't, from a design perspective...

And we saw a few years ago, 2011, 2012, there was a small change on the 11th green where they tried to regain a historic pin position.

Because once you're running really above 10 pin,

on the stint meter, particularly with any type of breeze, there's no way to really stop a golf ball.

So we have this sort of thing with design where you're really trying to get that about 1%, somewhere maybe between 0.5%, 1.5% around those puddable areas.

So I know it was controversial at the time.

I actually liked it.

I thought getting that pin position close to Hill Bunker, which is one of the really iconic bunkers, if you know the story of Bobby Jones getting stuck in that bunker,

So this idea that we're speeding up greens, but we're losing pinnable area, and particularly classic pinnable area, is a touchpoint for discussion.

And so you run, say, forward to the open in 2015 and then 2022, and you look at what the RNA trends

We're trying to do this whole idea of maybe defending PAR again.

And it comes down to pin positions.

How close can they be tucked to mounds?

Or on the first green, how close could it be over the Swilkin burn?

So we have really great data now.

So they release all the pinnable information.

We know in 20...