Scott Macpherson

The women were a lot better than the men was my takeaway from much of my caddying.

They tended to take direction a lot better.

So read into that whatever you wish to.

And even now, I just think 14 is such a clever hole.

It's changed based on equipment through the years, what they would have been doing with the hickory clubs.

And what we're doing now with modern balls and modern clubs is very different.

But certainly the amateur player...

who doesn't have the distance off the tee is still trying to figure out, do I take on the beardies?

Okay.

Now I've got past them.

Do I go short of hell?

Do I go over hell bunker?

Do I play down the fifth fairway?

And so that whole idea of strategy is I think still alive for the amateur golfer through that.

I mean, it's just still, everyone talks about 17 and rightly so it's a great hole, but I think,

I think from a design perspective and from a playing experience, 14 is still a really fantastic hole.

That's right.

So we're almost leading ourselves into this conversation around the reverse course as well, right?

Well, the...

I like to know why something might have happened.