Sean Callagy

elevate IP to a point that people would be surprised by.

And that was, with all things, Angry Birds.

And at the time, it was just those dots on the screen.

And I went to the owners, and they were about to license the movie.

I said, no, no, we'll make it.

And they had so much cash from the game that raising money there was easy.

They just had treasury cash to use.

for about 75 million, and it was fun to invent a mythology.

And everyone thought that movie was going to fail because in 2016 when it came out, Angry Birds had collapsed in popularity.

They didn't navigate going from paid games to free games in the way other competitors did.

and the brand wasn't cool anymore.

And so that for me was gratifying because it was another surprise and doing it again.

But then after 2016, and actually after the sale of Marvel,

I got approached with everything.

You know, Kate, can you help us with this to become a universe?

And said no to everything because it didn't meet what I really thought it would be.

And then I was fortunate, which we can get into later, to find something that James Cameron really loved and my favorite comic book artist who I collected.

And when James Cameron stepped aside, I was able to grab it.

And that's what I'm working on now.

So you have to have the fundamental pieces in place, but then it's a lot of decisions and a lot of vision that