Sean Stone

and British saw Israel as a base into the Arab world, which I call Israel the last crusader, the crusader kingdom. Because remember, as you know, historically, we fought the West, the Catholic Church sent crusaders out to try to recapture Jerusalem. in 1095, and they did, and then they got kicked out a couple hundred years later, right? But they never forgave that.

So I think that the Catholics and the West, psychologically and militarily and historically, actually see Israel as the crusader kingdom that gives them a foothold into the Middle East. So this is a thousand year war. And that's actually also how a lot of the Arabs see it, which is why people get caught up on the Jewish thing.

And they miss the point of the Arabs looking at it as the West trying to have a crusader kingdom called Israel in the Middle East. And most, as we know, most of the Jews that are there are from Europe, right? They're from, you know, whether they're Kazarian or whatnot. So they're not from that land, at least maybe they were thousands of years ago, maybe they weren't.

But the point is that this is an issue in the psychology of the Arab world, right? the Crusades coming back to haunt them. I think that's a big issue and people don't look at it that way because they think of it as Jewish versus Muslim. And I think it's much deeper because as you know, the Jews and Muslims have gotten along.

The Jews used to go to the Muslim countries when they were persecuted by the Catholics. When they were persecuted in Spain, the Jews and Muslims both were persecuted in Spain and kicked out by Ferdinand and Isabel in 1495, 1492 when Columbus was sailing. They kicked the Jews and the Muslims out of Spain at that time. They kicked them out of, as you know, across Europe. Many times they purged them.

They would go to Muslim countries, Jews would. And they all lived together side by side in Palestine and obviously in Turkey and other countries. So it wasn't a Jewish-Muslim thing. I think this is a West versus East thing very much.

Yeah.

Epstein was apparently Mossad and CIA, right? I had his brother on our podcast for a few hours, yeah. Does he think that he was both?

Found dead. Yeah. Were you reading that? He was found dead in his apartment.

Exactly. It's both private and public. I mean, look at... We just saw the Jeff Sachs interview. Today, all these newspapers are saying Jeffrey Sands is anti-Semitic conspiracy theories for saying that Israel's basically foreign policy is what we're running in the Middle East, which is pretty evident. I don't think that's anti-Semitic to say that.

The ghost of Kiev was still riding high. And then that was a CIA story, remember? And all these different things.

Uganda raid against... They made a movie about it. What was it called? Yeah, I don't remember the film.

We think also about this policy shift. It wasn't like it was always adamantly whatever Israel wants until 2001. That's when the neocons take over. That's when the 9-11 justifies...

all these wars in the middle east so-called justifies obviously what did it do did it bring benefit to the american people did it bring stabilize anything no we destabilize that region but as i said it's been all israel policy and mostly in netanyahu policy and netanyahu is closer to hamas i mean that's what's really curious you know when you look at the history that as you know

Netanyahu and company hated Arafat, right? So they, back in the 80s, they actually allowed Hamas to grow. That's now known that Israel was essentially allowing Hamas to grow into this beast because it played off against Arafat's PLO and those guys. So they used that. And I think that's what's so curious is that Hamas is almost... it truly is Netanyahu's best weapon.

I mean, at the moment that he was being indicted in the Supreme court, I think there's a new documentary about, uh, BB's, uh, file. I think it's called, it's nominated. Yeah. It's being nominated for best picture, exposing all this corruption that he was in charge with. He was gone. And then October 7th comes and it justifies everything.

It's, it's like these moments, you know, that justify war is, you know, very much provocative. You should study that. The BB files, the BB files, I think.

Well, we didn't know him before, so you can't say what he was. Well, I knew him at that point. But I'm saying, but before, and he was a, you know, those guys were true believers from the beginning, but he, you know, people say he was part of killing Rabin. He created that atmosphere, if nothing else, Netanyahu did. Remember when Rabin was killed? Netanyahu was playing up that atmosphere.

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Well, his daughter's husband's father is Lebanese, right? Isn't he the new coordinator for some of these affairs? Well, that'd be nice, but the Adelson money is huge, isn't it? But I do think, you know, I feel that if anyone can negotiate peace, I don't think that Trump likes Netanyahu.