Sebastian Junger

So in my mind, I'm like, listen, you know, if war is bad—

avoiding it isn't the only you know there there is a moral case to be made for say in bosnia which was stopped by a very brief nato intervention and you know you could make a moral case for you know drop a few bombs the war stops and then the human life is preserved yeah you can make you can make that case but but you know basically the the for i think for for say for ukraine peacefulness works and it's a wonderful thing to aspire to

sort of as long as no one invades you.

Right?

Right.

And if you knew that no one would invade you and you're warlike anyway, you're an asshole.

Right?

Right.

But what you have to do, any society, from a group of people

Like Comanche warriors in the hill country around Austin in 1840 or Ukraine or the U.S.

or Israel or any nation, right?

You have to figure out how to be a peace-loving society that can also defend itself.

And that's really – and then if you're going to defend yourself –

What is your obligation to defend your allies or your friends or even just on a strategic level countries where if they fall, then eventually the dominoes wind up?

And I don't know the answers to that, but that to me is like the strategic and moral question.

It's like where is that line where you have to defend something because eventually you're going to end up defending yourselves, right?

Well, there's always the possibility of a bad actor that's like, you know what?

I want those oil fields.

I want those diamond mines.

I want whatever.