Sebastian Junger

It's insane.

Yeah.

We the human race or the U.S.

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Well, I mean, here's the thing.

Like I have, you know, I have some sort of like peace oriented friends, pacifist friends.

I mean, there's a sort of two different flavors, right?

There's a sort of a conservative isolationism and a liberal pacifism.

And they wind up, ironically, in sort of the same place.

It's like war is bad.

We don't want any part of it.

The convergence is sort of interesting politically.

So the sort of left-wing people that I know are sort of Vietnam-era pacifists, right?

So in my mind, I'm like, listen, you know, if war is bad—

avoiding it isn't the only you know there there is a moral case to be made for say in bosnia which was stopped by a very brief nato intervention and you know you could make a moral case for you know drop a few bombs the war stops and then the human life is preserved yeah you can make you can make that case but but you know basically the the for i think for for say for ukraine peacefulness works and it's a wonderful thing to aspire to

sort of as long as no one invades you.

Right?

Right.

And if you knew that no one would invade you and you're warlike anyway, you're an asshole.

Right?