Sebastian Mallaby

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195 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Apr 2026 last heard 3 Apr

Sebastian Mallaby’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.

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I mean, that's exactly right.
I remember going to see him, you know, when ChatGPT was just going viral.
And he said, you know, Sebastian, this is war.
These guys at OpenAI, they've parked the tanks in my front yard.
He actually said, park the tanks on my lawn because he's English.
But yeah, you get it.
Yeah, I mean, he has an explanation more than a regret.
And the explanation is super interesting.
It's basically that because he studied neuroscience for his PhD, and you've got to remember, this is back in 2008, 2009.
So nothing worked in AI.
So he was starting from scratch.
And one of the ideas in neuroscience is called action in perception.
And this is the idea that to really be intelligent, you have to take action in the world.
You don't know what it means for something to be heavy,
unless you pick it up.
You don't know what gravity is unless you actually drop something.
And so he had this idea when the Transformer paper came out in 2017 and OpenAI was starting to do the first GPT in 2018, second one in 2019 and so forth.
you know, that's not going to work.
It's not going to take you all the way to powerful intelligence because language is just a system of symbols.
It's not grounded in the real world.
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