Sebastian Mallaby
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first heard Apr 2026
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singleton idea which i mentioned before he really thought there would be one lab and in a scenario where there's only one lab who's got the technology then sure you can say to the military you can't have our technology go away and the problem today is as we saw with anthropic just now with the pentagon if anthropic tries to draw a red line you know open ais and then like a shot and says hey mr pentagon what do you need we've got it for you do you worry that
You know, I asked myself that question all the way through my research.
And in some ways, the question about, can you be a strong, consequential actor in the world and still be good is sort of the deep question in the book.
And he is somebody who really wants to be good.
And I think one way of framing this question about, is he being good?
Will he be good?
Can he be good?
Is to say, should he, will he do what Dario did?
standing up to the Pentagon about red lines on military usage and surveillance.
And I don't think he is going to do that.
And I think the way he would rationalize this would be to say, look, you got to pick your moment with this stuff.
If you make a stand, and actually the Pentagon does what the hell it wants anyway, you didn't really make the world better.
My best shot at making the world better and making AI safer is to go through the route, which is the only route
that can get us to AI safety, and that is government intervention, forcing safety rules on all the labs at once.
Because otherwise, some are safe, some are not safe, and the ones that are not safe are going to screw it up for everybody.
And that's the route that I think Demis wants to push.
Problem is, you have the Trump administration, they just want to accelerate.
And so all you can do for now, I think, is to keep this conversation alive with other governments, and then maybe when there's a new administration in the US, we could see a conversation.
Hmm.
Yeah, so the idea was when you get very close to AGI and it's super dangerous, you're going to A, be subject to potential attack by bad guys who want to steal the technology, and B, you really don't want to be distracted by...
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