Senator Elizabeth Warren

We don't count.

And that is how much you're spending on credit cards.

How much are you paying on debt on student loans?

How much are you paying?

All your debt is actually left out of the calculation.

That's nuts.

And the difference between carrying, as you know, $5,000 of debt at

5% and $5,000 of debt at 36% is the difference between whether you've got a shot at paying it down and whether or not you're just overwhelmed and you're going to be in debt for as far into the future as you can see.

you know i i think you've got it exactly right and that is this is detached from reality but donald trump has surrounded himself with people who are not going to challenge him directly he just keeps building on how he decides it he has his people remember when the uh labor numbers

came out bad and had to be readjusted in the number of people who were employed.

And so what is Donald Trump doing?

Fires the person who is the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

And it's just it's more example of trying to create this alternative reality around Donald Trump and this full ecosystem.

And like you say, we have to remember, you can kind of look back and laugh at parts of it.

But the truth is just the fact that it happens, kind of the momentum that builds up around itself is genuinely dangerous.

And parts of it leak out to the rest of the world.

So Donald Trump says something over and over and over.

Listen, he says this stuff about tariffs and other countries say, OK, what do we have to do?

What do we have to offer you?

People respond to the parts that Donald Trump just flings off.