Seth Gruber

I'm about to say, OK, we could say probably not, but at least we could hold them accountable based off of the language and commitments in their own platform.

That's what I'm saying.

Right.

There was language in the GOP platform in regards to the sanctity of life to preborn babies that called for the 14th Amendment.

protections of babies.

Now, we're about to drop a statement, an equal rights protection statement at White Rose soon.

We probably don't have to unpack all of that right now, Ali, but you're a signer.

It's going to shock some people, the signers on this.

And it's just calling the pro-life movement and the Republican Party back to first principles.

That was in the platform, 14th Amendment protections for the pre-born, which also means if they're a person, then there's consequences for anyone

who intentionally kills what is a person.

So anyways, we will have that debate some other time.

And I know you've had Bradley Pierce on Great Brother, but the point is they gutted their language that allowed us to hold them accountable on the civilizational issues that matter the most.

The babies, the family, sexuality.

And why did that happen?

because we, the church, have not been engaged, and we've not been holding the Republican Party establishment accountable to actually defend and stand for what Christians believe, which starts with the family issues.

So this concept you're talking about, about valuing liberty so much that we end up sacrificing the lives of babies, what you put your finger on is profound, Ali.

It's quite brilliant.

It's the same difference that Alexander Hamilton

was writing to the Marquis de Lafayette, the Frenchman who was an American hero in helping us win the war for independence, when he talks about the difference between the French Revolution and the American Revolution.