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Shabani Matani

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Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

So we've come in through the back now.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Security guards stopped us.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

They didn't allow me to take any photos.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

There's barbed wire all around, CCTVs.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

You can see lookout posts as well on the top of the buildings.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

It looks like dormitories, sort of white buildings with black rails and with bars on the windows.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

It's a whole little city.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

I mean, Times Square could fit in this.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

So all of these are hallmarks of a scam compound.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Since January, the Cambodian government has ramped up its raids on scam compounds across the country.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

And as a result, some 200,000 scam workers have poured into the streets of Phnom Penh.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

These people are from all over the world, at least 35 countries.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

And I saw reports of people streaming to the embassy gates, literally waiting outside, banging on the door, asking for help to be repatriated home.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

And even today, many of them are still unable to get home.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

So this spring, I decided to go to Phnom Penh and try to speak to some of them.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

I wanted to know what was their firsthand experience of the scam industry.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

How did they end up in Cambodia?

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

I thought they could give an unfiltered view of the inner workings of this industry.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

I spoke to dozens of people on that trip.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Most of the scam workers were from China and also from Indonesia.

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