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Shabani Matani

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Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

But it surprised me how many of them came from Africa.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

My name is Ama.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

And all the stories were actually remarkably similar.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

In recent years, crime syndicates have focused on scamming Westerners.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

So they've heavily recruited workers from English-speaking countries in Africa, like Ghana, Nigeria, Sierra Leone.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

On this trip, the majority of the Africans I spoke to were from Uganda.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Sometimes, you know, it was difficult to get deep into conversation.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

You know, some of them were also obviously very cautious because they didn't want to expose the inner workings of scam compounds that they believed were still so powerful.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

But I did manage to sit down and get to know one man really, really well.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

And that was through a friend of mine who introduced me to him.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

My friend, his name is Majdara.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

He's a Cambodian journalist based in Phnom Penh.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

And Dara and I, we spent the week together zooming around in his little tuk-tuk.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

He's also a tuk-tuk driver sometimes to earn extra money.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

And it was through Dara that I got introduced to one Ugandan man in particular.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

His name is Shwaib and he's 24.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

We would come to know each other pretty well over the next few weeks.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Shuaib and I ended up meeting in person for the first time at a Cambodian burger chain called Lucky Burgers.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

I saw him from the back first.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

I could see even from the door when I went in that he was pretty tall, but mostly really lanky.