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Shabani Matani

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Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

He was wearing sort of dark grey baseball cap and acid wash jeans and a greyish black t-shirt.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

When we sat down, he had his phone out and he was taking little notes on his phone and he seemed kind of nervous.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Then once he started speaking, I had to sort of figure out times that I could interrupt him because once he started talking, he really opened up about his story and just got really into it and kept going.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Shuaib asked me to identify him by just his first name for his security, because what he shares about the inner workings of these criminal syndicates, which continue to operate today, and his own role could put him at risk.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Shuaib told me his story from the beginning, before he even arrived in Cambodia.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

And, you know, I think it's important because it reveals the long and really the truly global reach of the scam industry.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

So Shoaib is from Kampala, the capital of Uganda.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

One day in January of 2025, he was sick in bed, scrolling TikTok, when he saw something that made him stop for a little bit.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

It was a targeted job ad on his For You page.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Promising somewhere between $800 to $1,000 for a month's work in Cambodia.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

So at first he actually dismissed it and, you know, he kept scrolling.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

And right away, he was sent a WhatsApp number to continue the conversation with a recruiter.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

The recruiter told him that there were a few different positions available, that there was a lot of work.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

He could be a supermarket attendant, a delivery driver or a warehouse worker.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

And on top of that, they would even cover his visa and his travel expenses and food and accommodation once he got there.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

It was a pretty big deal because in Kampala, someone like Shuaib could only earn about $150, $200 a month.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

The person on the other end of the phone was offering him up to $1,000 a month.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Schwab had always relied on himself.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

He has 10 siblings, and both his parents passed away by the time he was 18.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

So he had to drop out of school and get a job.