Shahroo Izadi

The people who were able to just go through the motions have smart feet, get to a meeting, do it, do what you need to do, just let the rest take care of itself.

So I started going to 12-step meetings myself.

I went to Overeaters Anonymous, I went to Food Addicts Anonymous, I went to Codependents Anonymous, loads of them.

Help and support.

Sabina, I was fascinated because I understood the...

quiet of mind that's saying i just don't do any of this anymore no no one no two no at weddings no just on a friday just no the clarity of mind that that gave people and the focus and their ability to stay on track until those new neural pathways are there and things were normalized and flukes were passed um wasn't available for food you've got to eat no

Yes, of course.

Oh, God, that's so interesting.

And slur, too, to some degree.

You don't have to have sex.

You don't have to have love in your life.

But if you're inclined towards it.

And codependency and interdependency.

And, you know, you want to be dependent on others and you want to know where that line is and things.

And so my fascination was, you know, do we have to wait until people have hit a rock bottom?

I think the way it manifests itself for most of us when we talk about codependency is that of the external validation.

is our day-to-day ability to function at the level that we want to and to calm ourselves down.

It's based on external validation and a relationship with another person.

And that dependency on each other to be well can be very damaging and can give people the same feeling that they have when they are in a using, not using, active addiction.

So, for example, I've had to learn that...