Shahroo Izadi

And I didn't like it when someone would come in and they would say that they had relapsed.

It was rare, but their recovery seemed very dependent on their key worker.

Yeah, and I totally understood why the key worker was feeling that way because that's your inclination to do as much as you can and do it and be like, let me just sort it out for you, you know?

And it reminded me a bit of what people tell me about parenting, which is like, all you want to do is everything, but actually your job is to make yourself redundant.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And that's what it was like.

And so you really have to take your ego out of it and realize that you're doing people a service if they don't need you as quickly as possible.

So I wanted to hand them over the tools that they would get from me without having to trust me and that they could use over and over again that would be free.

And I knew that they were scientifically robust because they were helping in the NHS.

And they weren't dangerous.

They're literally like, write 10 things you like about yourself because you're certainly not going to remember them when you want to use, you know?

But they're true.

So you should assume that these things aren't going to pop into your head.

And also the basic science around things like, okay, of course you remember the fact that this person insulted you because you're wired from an evolutionary perspective to identify threats, not reinforce those threats.

So you've got to write them down, you know?

Also, some of these people are using still.

So you might not even remember this conversation.

You want to write it down.

Quite.