Shamita Basu

Well, let's talk about what happens when serious harm occurs, including people being killed, but whether that's during protests or arrests or in detention.

What accountability mechanisms exist right now for immigration enforcement agents?

What would it look like if Congress were to add stipulations?

Because, again, we're talking midweek and this is the conversation that's happening on Capitol Hill right now is over, in fact, more funding, approving more funding for ICE.

And it does seem like this is turning into a sticking point with ICE.

Plenty of lawmakers saying there need to be more stipulations attached.

Absolutely.

You know, I've been confused, frankly, in all of this hearing in the past couple of weeks how there have been certain things that ICE has done, certain memos that seem to me to totally upend longstanding legal precedent.

And I just don't know how that's supposed to work.

Is that how things work?

Like, for example, there were reports of a leaked ICE memo suggesting that officers now don't need a judicial warrant to enter a home.

That's a big change.

That is completely different from advice that immigration lawyers have long given clients, that advocates have long shared for people.

It is your right.

You can ask for a warrant.

You should see a warrant before you open your doors.

Is that all it takes, a memo that ICE can issue to change something like this?

Oh, that's really interesting.

You know, I meant to ask you this as we were talking a little bit about how these issues end up in the hands of courts and how this backlog can also be created from that.

But sort of separately from that, I mean, where do the courts fit into this in the sense of, you know, we heard the mayor of Minneapolis saying, we want ICE out in completely unequivocal terms.