Shamita Basu

They've requested for a federal judge to step in and rule on whether ICE should pause its operations.

Can a federal judge actually pause ICE activity?

Walk me through what would happen in a case like that and what comes after.

You know, as someone who is paying attention to what's been happening in this sphere and this agency's actions almost around the clock, I'm sure it feels like for you, what should people be paying attention to that isn't making it to the top headlines?

Right.

I want to return to the idea about public outrage and public opinion.

Can you speak more to that?

And I think it might even help people who are listening right now who have felt like they are sitting and watching and feeling a bit far away from all of this or a little disconnected from all of this.

And frankly, that goes even for people who might have supported immigration enforcement efforts at the beginning of this Trump term but are not happy with the way that it's unfolding right now.

That's right.

Kaitlin, thank you so much for your reporting on this, for sticking with the story for as long as you have.

It really helps to hear from someone who has as much context and depth of reporting as you do.

Thanks so much.

I appreciate it.

Thank you for having me.

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